发信人: nohate (无恨), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Poo muming's letter to his lab staff
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Tue Jun 1 10:10:29 2004) WWW-POST

I don't think his ideas are reasonable. It is simply wrong.

You can't demand people to work 60 hours, while you only pay them for 40 hours
salary a week.

Poo himself may be working 60 hours even 168 hours a week, that's his problem.

I hate people saying like 'if you don't want to do science, just quit...',
doing science is just the same as any other works, why researchers have to
work overtime?

Hardworking doesn't simply mean working overtime. Hardworking means you make
good plans and finish what you planned in time.

A good supervisor should never ask his people to work 10 hours a day, he
should ask his people to show results every other week.

On the other hand, I am not saying we should just stop working and go home
when the working time is up. The fact is sometimes you have to work till
midnight, because your experiment just can't stop in the middle. That's when
we work overtime. Other than that, go home, or go to the library, or go to the
gym, or go to the cinema, or go rent a movie...


【 在 mane (窦古露华) 的大作中提到: 】
: i think all he proposed here are reasonable, and very true.
: if you don't want to do science, just quit it. why bother
: the 5-6 year low-pay, no-fun life? if you want to be successful,
: these are the things you should do for your own sake.
: 【 在 torjan (有个性的昵称) 的大作中提到: 】
: : the letter is shocking.
: : 1. is this just a joke? can't believe a successful scientist can have an
: : attitude and manner as menifested in the letter. probably someone cooked
this
: : letter to damage poo's reputation?
: : 2. if this indeed should be true, is this attitude/style typical for
biology
: : profs or this poo is just a rare case?
: : 3. i would say this is definitely not healthy, but is it legal? is it
: : considered ethical by the biological academic community? in particular the
: : threatening and forcing-to-leave part....
: : 【 在 musician (自由心) 的大作中提到: 】
: : : i think i read this many years ago, but ran into again today when i was
: : : surfing the net :)
: : : 蒲慕明教授写给他实验室学生的letter(转）
: : : 看完了，
: : : 特别注意了“I mentioned that about 60 hr working time per week is what I
: : consi
: : : der the minimal time an average successful young scientist in these days
has
: : t
: : : o put into the lab work.
: : : 衡量了一下自己，
: : : 估计是属于那种” I will have to ask you to prepare to leave my lab”。
: : : 看来人是需要压力的。
: : : 蒲慕明教授写给他实验室学生的letter
: : : Mu-ming Poo is head of the Division of Neurobiology, Department of
: : : Molecular and Cell Biology at University of California, Berkeley,
: : : California, USA. He is also director of the Institute of Neuroscience,
: : : Chinese Academy of Sciences, Shanghai, China.
: : : To all lab members:
: : : Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is
: : : no drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a
productive,
: : : first-rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress
: : : reports over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress
in
: : : most projects. One year ago, when we first moved to Berkeley, I
expressed
: : : clearly to everyone my expectation from each one in the lab. The most
: : : important thing is what I consider to be sufficient amount of time and
: : : effort in the lab work. I mentioned that about 60 hr working time per
week
: : : is what I consider the minimal time an average successful young
scientist
: : : in these days has to put into the lab work. There may be a few rare
lucky
: : : fellows like Florian, who had two Nature papers in his sleeve already,
can
: : : enjoy life for a while and still get a job offer from Harvard. no one
else
: : : in the lab has Florian\'s luxury to play around.
: : : Thus I am imposing strict rules in the lab from now on:
: : : 1. Every one works at least 50 hr a week in the lab (e.g., 8+ hr a day,
six
: : : days a week). This is by far lower than what I am doing every day and
: : : throughout most of my career. You may be smarter or do not want to be as

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